Tulpa.info - metaphysics

Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗

I believe that God is an eternal being with no end or beginning. As such, I don't really look to humanity to describe him or his power properly. He could have been discovered ten thousand years ago, or not at all, but that would not prove or disprove him existing.

Eh but there is a lot of things about it since the word god or divine things didn't originate back to one god first but multiple so I believe that there can be a god but there would be multiple

3:41 AM

to begin with

Khaos

Like hinduism having no known date

Hinduism is a mish mash of older indian relgions When the British conquered india they saw multiple religions and described them as "hinduism" and it sorta became one religion At least that's what i've read.

Yeah

3:42 AM

I heard it dates way back

perhaps I should listen to Lun…

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and go to sleep..

Oh what time is it for you?

Lun is right if it's late

11:42

Yeah go to sleep

That's your personal opinion, of course, and you're welcome to have it. I follow a monotheistic religion, but I tend to try my best to be understanding of polytheistic folks and their practices.

Spectrum ↩️

Reply to: Eh but there is a lot of things about it since the word god or divine things didn't originate back t…

she’s just been… standing behind me giving me disapproving looks nearly this whole time

Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗

That's your personal opinion, of course, and you're welcome to have it. I follow a monotheistic religion, but I tend to try my best to be understanding of polytheistic folks and their practices.

Yep but I don't worship any god but I am basing this off research because of the fact the would came from multiple to begin with and therefore its there thing so it feels off when something new comes along than proclaims true god this or that since its weird

Skyler 🐉

she’s just been… standing behind me giving me disapproving looks nearly this whole time

Oof sleep than

Khaos

Yep but I don't worship any god but I am basing this off research because of the fact the would came from multiple to begin with and therefore its there thing so it feels off when something new comes along than proclaims true god this or that since its weird

because like the original meaning came from them even if its mish mashy but they have no known origin so what they claim to be is tbh their thing

3:46 AM

They are the ones who invented it.

awwwh my watch didn’t charge

Something else just well came along and proclaimed it as theirs

Skyler 🐉

awwwh my watch didn’t charge

OOF

3:47 AM

also guys should I use spectrum or my khaos psuedo account

I use it as a sleep tracker

yikessssss

3:47 AM

uhhh maybe use a phone with clock app and run stop watch

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it keeps track of time

3:48 AM

from the moment u start it

3:48 AM

and u can end it whenever you please

I mean like it tracks sleep stages

4:00 AM

Ooo cool

4:01 AM

no wonder

I should use my mom's old fitbit to see if i sleep well

hm ye

no wonder what?

Spectrum ↩️

Reply to: no wonder

no wonder you can't use a stop watch

4:01 AM

to track sleep

4:01 AM

even by phones

ah. Yeah

I thought you may have wanted to know how long you slept

4:02 AM

because of track

I like observing my sleep stages

lol we are talking about this in a metaphysics chat

oops

ur fine

✨sleep procrastination✨

omg frfr me in the past

when you’re sleepy your decision making ability is lowered therefore you make more bad choices, Such as continuing to use discord instead of sleeping.

and even now at night cause its hard

Skyler 🐉

when you’re sleepy your decision making ability is lowered therefore you make more bad choices, Such as continuing to use discord instead of sleeping.

I guess somebody gotta drag you out than

Lun is still glaring at me

4:08 AM

would think that would be enough

lmao

4:14 AM

rip

Pleeb

I don't know if you guys have ever read my old "Reality"[1] document before, but something reminded me of it lately. Bear in mind if you read through it, I've had my mind blown with something that I cannot explain only with one thing in there. Everything else I can explain away. Though that one thing kept me up for 2 days trying to figure out the nature of reality. Chess and I came up with the best working model we could that basically posited that reality is a construct of some kind of consciousness, and is of the same nature as your wonderland the same way a consciousness of Chess is of the same nature as a consciousness of me. That was in 2012-2013. Why am I posting this? Because a bit ago, a friend of mine (well educated MD) sent me the following video. What's really interesting is that my studies on consciousness have led to a very similar conclusion over a decade before this video came out, and I was able to back it up with explanations on object recognition, the what where pathway, etc. It looks pretty interesting and has some mathematics to back it up: https://youtu.be/_MdcG1qI1yU [1]: if you do read my "Reality" document, please read the final update, I have some comments specifically on the metaphysical stuff and my current thoughts on that: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T4avaKxdJ49pOH3QKW_GuW16Ym3N5dgxqyj8B256tio/edit?usp=sharing

this was super interesting

Pleeb

I don't know if you guys have ever read my old "Reality"[1] document before, but something reminded me of it lately. Bear in mind if you read through it, I've had my mind blown with something that I cannot explain only with one thing in there. Everything else I can explain away. Though that one thing kept me up for 2 days trying to figure out the nature of reality. Chess and I came up with the best working model we could that basically posited that reality is a construct of some kind of consciousness, and is of the same nature as your wonderland the same way a consciousness of Chess is of the same nature as a consciousness of me. That was in 2012-2013. Why am I posting this? Because a bit ago, a friend of mine (well educated MD) sent me the following video. What's really interesting is that my studies on consciousness have led to a very similar conclusion over a decade before this video came out, and I was able to back it up with explanations on object recognition, the what where pathway, etc. It looks pretty interesting and has some mathematics to back it up: https://youtu.be/_MdcG1qI1yU [1]: if you do read my "Reality" document, please read the final update, I have some comments specifically on the metaphysical stuff and my current thoughts on that: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T4avaKxdJ49pOH3QKW_GuW16Ym3N5dgxqyj8B256tio/edit?usp=sharing

Lucilyn: I feel a bit bad you barely got any response, so I'll respond even though I didn't really want to (I listened to the whole thing when you linked it) (edited)

9:03 PM

first of all, this guy sounds very smart and like a critical thinker a couple of the concepts he proposes are pretty interesting, like supposing the basis of reality isn't matter but something else but, I just don't get why he (or you or anyone this critical-minded) is treating consciousness like such a mystical phenomenon, and the universe-is-made-of-consciousness stuff he got into later was very much a departure from reasonable assumption and just standard spiritual mysticism (that we are well acquainted with), especially when he equated universal consciousness with love, which is completely baseless nonsense (even if it's complete nonsense that helped shape our humanitarian values a long time ago) haven't you guys heard of and thought about "emergent properties"? you can study examples of that concept directly yourself, and it can all be explained rationally with no mysticism so I don't get why it's hard to believe that, on an INCREDIBLY COMPLEX scale like all the minute details of a human brain, that the resulting experience can end up being like human consciousness like you can hook up a monitor and headphones, play sound and visuals, and you can already get immersed in something totally not real it takes so little to start seeing reality shaped by a few constituent parts, so why do people assume anything special is going on in a human brain to form consciousness? it just feels like yet another example of humans mystifying what they can't directly understand, and literally every time humans have ever done that in history they've been wrong because there were perfectly logical explanations they just couldn't directly see, and I feel like all the crazy stuff we already know about human brains should be WAY more than enough to intuitively grasp how the experience of consciousness can come to be

9:04 PM

9:05 PM

like I like his thought experiments about a way reality could work

9:05 PM

but, it seems like an extreme jump for no reason to explain something that is really not that hard to explain

9:06 PM

also I'm unclear on if I'm even supposed to say stuff like this in this channel

9:06 PM

y'know if you're open to critical discussion you can post "meta" topics like this in just #general-discussion or something right?

9:07 PM

the metaphysics board and channel have always been for preventing extreme criticism and killjoy comments

9:08 PM

but if a topic is meant to be dissected seriously (maybe even scientifically), it's okay if it's meta-sounding

9:08 PM

tulpamancy itself is invoking this constantly

9:09 PM

it's complete nonsense at a glance and sounds "metaphysical" in the same way, but it's not metaphysics to us all because we're trying to discuss it logically/science-minded-ly

9:10 PM

Lucilyn: (this isn't science, but) science that is attempting to understand something currently beyond our understanding isn't "metaphysics" (the "abstract theory with no basis in reality" definition anyway) (edited)

9:10 PM

everything starts unknown, until we know it

9:11 PM

--- but yeah I kinda hate giant textwall discussion even though our brain & my systemmates are predisposed to it lol, but I made an exception since you said this subject is important to you, I figured some naysaying was preferable to being ignored

I didn't watch the video because the description mentions Donald Hoffman and I already watched a lot of interviews with him and I don't need another hour+ of it. Does the video talk about anything else? That came out sounding weird. What I mean is, is there more to the video than Donald Hoffman's ideas? (edited)

1:36 AM

I thought Pleeb's doc was really interesting, read it some months ago

Reisen

it's complete nonsense at a glance and sounds "metaphysical" in the same way, but it's not metaphysics to us all because we're trying to discuss it logically/science-minded-ly

Tbh even if this is meta physics I'd like for logic to exist anywhere anyhow but it would be something you'd have to make sense of although I am okay with those who don't do this.

Did you know that there was a declassified study by the military on tulpas and their relation to ufos in the 70s? It used to be hosted on dod.mil but the link later died. I just uploaded the PDF on the forums; it's kind of out there: https://community.tulpa.info/topic/16994-are-parapsychology-practitioners-studying-tulpas/#comment-397381 (edited)

Are parapsychology practitioners studying tulpas?

Do you think parapsychology is studying tulpas?

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there is hundreds of dumb studies by the military... this is no special

Pleeb

Did you know that there was a declassified study by the military on tulpas and their relation to ufos in the 70s? It used to be hosted on dod.mil but the link later died. I just uploaded the PDF on the forums; it's kind of out there: https://community.tulpa.info/topic/16994-are-parapsychology-practitioners-studying-tulpas/#comment-397381 (edited)

Noice

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

there is hundreds of dumb studies by the military... this is no special

True but Cia stuff not so much like shifting and the gateway process so ye

11:30 AM

I honestly digress from anything that is logicless that includes the lack of emotions because emotions = logicless therefore Even metaphysical beliefs should contain logic There should be nothing baseless to begin with anyhow. (edited)

11:34 AM

I do not believe in the lack of logic I'll use emotions as an example desire is a part of it For u to even suggest it to be bad is nonsensical because why would you think if you have no desire to You wouldn't unless you had a desire which includes reason itself. The only reason for some people not the other manipulative kinds See it as bad is because of them trotting around and seeing people who use simple desires and be immature little kids lashing out being brats all of that (again only some non manipulative people think like this) because these people don't include the fundamental force that is logic to begin with which is the sole reason they can even be a local brat to begin with

11:36 AM

That is contradictory and logicless to even think of emotions like that Includes sadness because there is nothing weak about it unless you are and chose to be like this or that to begin with So why anything supernatural and spiritual be anything short of logic?

11:37 AM

So that's my take on this all.

pretty close, just focus on words, as an apprentice. Use both, at the same time. All magic is just chaos stretching the mind. Literally. Sadly, our universe does not contain magic, but it does... it definitely does not gonna explain it though, but yeah, magic is real. I could prove it, but that's against the code. Open door theory also applies. That's... the tricky part the belief trope is a good starting point. It is somewhere between belief, laughter, and admitting you're wrong have fun. Not gonna explain it, sorry haha. Wizard,s rule. Chaos also has... side effects, one of which is becoming overly whimsical, I guess. God, I wish I could use magic to solve everything, not very good myself though

Oki nobody exactly writes that magic exists to a logical thing but can't prove it and saying from an organization with a code which sounds bad and cultish at worst at least to me Or a excuse that u can't Plus I know this exists dw 2 witchcraft even by males are called witches and chaos isn't uniform its meant to be inconsistent altogether unless if your talking about a form of chaos as its disordered and mayhem 3. I know loads of ppl who talked about the metaphysics but you sound bad in many ways once again because you come in here with a claim and no evidence and chalk it up to a wizard organization which I heard no such thing while have been interacting with magic ocult in ways and some astral projecrion along with other things

12:10 PM

Chaos also shouldn't be giving uniform symptoms about being whimsical as you said chaos... not a form of it

12:10 PM

But logic exists and your claim sounds bogus because you say that magic isn't in the universe and than there is

12:11 PM

It sounds like a bunch of confusion and excuses altogether the claim

I've never really understood why people hide their magical practices behind an organization Like, if everybody had access to it, i think it would balance out and not be dangerous?

Khaos

It sounds like a bunch of confusion and excuses altogether the claim

I'll pack up and go, with my tail between my legs, lol. Poor me... Somebody just told me I'm confused while exploring the most confusing thing in history. Can't argue with that, I guess. God, LEAST rewarding magical experience in the universe, this, lol. There's so many better ones... ... the irony dude, I'm literally admitting defeat and you're not even gonna be satisfied, but who cares. A part of you thinks I'm just a punching bag that loves you so much I'll debate with you. It's funny, people simultaneously think other people's magic isn't real no matter what, they'll never admit it since that would be crazy, but at the same time they think they could do a better job convincing everyone once they figure it out. They're not gonna be the guy nobody believes, once they prove it exists. They're gonna be the ones to enlighten the world, impossibly, since they're so smart, and everyone will believe that they manifested something, or whatever

More or less now you look suspcious I was not here to debate I was here for you to explain yourself

8:41 PM

I do not doubt that you have magic but I need actual evidence you aren't apart of some cult to begin with second this sounds arrogant and rude and toxic just because I mentioned their inconsistences

8:42 PM

Not only that you assumed multiple things about me and I know more than 20 people apart of occultish stuff

8:42 PM

I did not doubt their magic but for you

8:42 PM

you have inconsistences that make you sound suspicious (edited)

yall always got drama in here damn lmao

lol

Khaos

you have inconsistences that make you sound suspicious (edited)

Third a part of me never thought of you as a punching bag it only sounds like your trying to manipulate the situation by making me feel bad for no reason for doubting you for being inconsistent and suspcious.

Khaos

you have inconsistences that make you sound suspicious (edited)

Which is why I doubted your magic as what your claiming sounds cultish at worst.

Khaos

Third a part of me never thought of you as a punching bag it only sounds like your trying to manipulate the situation by making me feel bad for no reason for doubting you for being inconsistent and suspcious.

Especially when I again am using logic to point out how your acting.

I'm honestly confused by this channel's contents these days lol